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« Одговор #20 послато: август 24, 2013, 09:10:22 поподне »

О пореклу парахаплогрупе ДЕ...
 
http://books.google.rs/books?id=tzKLqyx315sC&printsec=frontcover&hl=sr#v=onepage&q&f=false
Underhill (2001). "The case for an African rather than an Asian origin of the human Y-chromosome YAP insertion". Genetic, Linguistic and Archaeological Perspectives on Human Diversity in Southeast Asia. New Jersey: World Scientific. ISBN 981-02-4784-2.

***In 2000 a number of scientists had started to reassess the hypothesis of an Asian origin of the YAP insertion. Underhill et al. 2000 identified the D-M174 mutation that defines haplogroup D. The M174 allele is found in the ancestral state in all African lineages including haplogroup E. The discovery of M174 mutation meant that haplogroup E could not be a subclade of haplogroup D. These findings effectively neutralized the argument of an Asian origin of the YAP+ based on the character state of the M40 and M96 mutations that define haplogroup E. According to Underhill et al. 2000, the M174 data alone would support an African origin of the YAP insertion.

Further arguments were made supporting and African origin of the YAP in Underhill et al. 2001. The arguments for an African origin include.

1.   Africa has the highest frequency of YAP (>80%) Haplogroup DE is often referred to by the most well-known unique event polymorphism (UEP) which defines it, the Y-chromosome Alu Polymorphism (YAP). The YAP mutation was caused when a strand of DNA called Alu, which copies itself, inserted a copy into the Y chromosome. A Y chromosome that has the YAP mutation is called YAP-positive (YAP+), and a Y chromosome that does not have the YAP mutation is labeled YAP-negative (YAP-). Haplogroup DE is an estimated 65,000 years old.. Whereas the YAP+ in Asia has a fairly restricted geographic distribution, mainly at low to moderate frequencies (average 9.6%) in East Asia.

2.   It was claimed that there was no archaeological evidence of a back-migration to Africa, and at the time of writing that there was no unequivocal Y DNA, mitochondrial DNA or autosomal DNA evidence of a back migration to Africa.

3.   Although Haplogroup C seems to have originated in Asia at a similar time to Haplogroup DE's origin, Haplogroup C shows no sign of back migration to Africa.
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« Одговор #21 послато: август 24, 2013, 09:12:29 поподне »


Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in Southeast Europe

Battaglia V, Fornarino S, Al-Zahery N, Olivieri A, Pala M, Myres NM, King RJ, Rootsi S, Marjanovic D, Primorac D, Hadziselimovic R, Vidovic S, Drobnic K, Durmishi N, Torroni A, Santachiara-Benerecetti AS, Underhill PA, Semino O.

The debate concerning the mechanisms underlying the prehistoric spread of farming to Southeast Europe is framed around the opposing roles of population movement and cultural diffusion. To investigate the possible involvement of local people during the transition of agriculture in the Balkans, we analysed patterns of Y-chromosome diversity in 1206 subjects from 17 population samples, mainly from Southeast Europe. Evidence from three Y-chromosome lineages, I-M423, E-V13 and J-M241, make it possible to distinguish between Holocene Mesolithic forager and subsequent Neolithic range expansions from the eastern Sahara and the Near East, respectively. In particular, whereas the Balkan microsatellite variation associated to J-M241 correlates with the Neolithic period, those related to E-V13 and I-M423 Balkan Y chromosomes are consistent with a late Mesolithic time frame. In addition, the low frequency and variance associated to I-M423 and E-V13 in Anatolia and the Middle East, support an European Mesolithic origin of these two clades. Thus, these Balkan Mesolithic foragers with their own autochthonous genetic signatures, were destined to become the earliest to adopt farming, when it was subsequently introduced by a cadre of migrating farmers from the Near East. These initial local converted farmers became the principal agents spreading this economy using maritime leapfrog colonization strategies in the Adriatic and transmitting the Neolithic cultural package to other adjacent Mesolithic populations. The ensuing range expansions of E-V13 and I-M423 parallel in space and time the diffusion of Neolithic Impressed Ware, thereby supporting a case of cultural diffusion using genetic evidence.

Differential Y-chromosome Anatolian influences on the Greek and Cretan Neolithic

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2007.00414.x/full

(http://www.haplozone.net/wiki/index.php?title=King_et_al._%282008%29)

King RJ, Ozcan SS, Carter T, Kalfoğlu E, Atasoy S, Triantaphyllidis C, Kouvatsi A, Lin AA, Chow CE, Zhivotovsky LA, Michalodimitrakis M, Underhill PA.

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Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Stanford University, 401 Quarry Road, Stanford, CA 94305-5722, USA.

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The earliest Neolithic sites of Europe are located in Crete and mainland Greece. A debate persists concerning whether these farmers originated in neighboring Anatolia and the role of maritime colonization. To address these issues 171 samples were collected from areas near three known early Neolithic settlements in Greece together with 193 samples from Crete. An analysis of Y-chromosome haplogroups determined that the samples from the Greek Neolithic sites showed strong affinity to Balkan data, while Crete shows affinity with central/Mediterranean Anatolia. Haplogroup J2b-M12 was frequent in Thessaly and Greek Macedonia while haplogroup J2a-M410 was scarce. Alternatively, Crete, like Anatolia showed a high frequency of J2a-M410 and a low frequency of J2b-M12. This dichotomy parallels archaeobotanical evidence, specifically that while bread wheat (Triticum aestivum) is known from Neolithic Anatolia, Crete and southern Italy; it is absent from earliest Neolithic Greece. The expansion time of YSTR variation for haplogroup E3b1a2-V13, in the Peloponnese was consistent with an indigenous Mesolithic presence. In turn, two distinctive haplogroups, J2a1h-M319 and J2a1b1-M92, have demographic properties consistent with Bronze Age expansions in Crete, arguably from NW/W Anatolia and Syro-Palestine, while a later mainland (Mycenaean) contribution to Crete is indicated by relative frequencies of V13.

"Tracing Past Human Male Movements in Northern/Eastern Africa and Western Eurasia: New Clues from Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12"

Molecular Biology and Evolution 24 (6): 1300–1311, doi:10.1093/molbev/msm049, PMID 17351267  Also see Supplementary Data.

Cruciani, F.; La Fratta, R.; Trombetta, B.; Santolamazza, P.; Sellitto, D.; Colomb, E. B.; Dugoujon, J.-M.; Crivellaro, F. et al. (2007)
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« Одговор #22 послато: септембар 08, 2013, 01:47:17 поподне »

E1b1b1 Clades

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« Одговор #23 послато: септембар 08, 2013, 07:58:19 поподне »

Занимљива слика. На жалост, гране и огранци лозе Е1б1б су код нас прилично слабо истражене. Било би добро када би се на том више порадило, ради бољега познавања наше повѣсти и порѣкла становништва. Койе се не може довољно разумѣти без добра проучавања друге лозе по заступљености у Срба. Зато ни йе потрѢбно да се више људий испита на више ознака, бар 64.
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"по уздасих тако први' у јунака реч поврви"

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« Одговор #24 послато: септембар 08, 2013, 10:40:08 поподне »

Једини проблем је, нажалост, тај што људи немају пара ни за 'леба, а камоли за тестирање.
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« Одговор #25 послато: септембар 17, 2013, 09:08:04 поподне »

Занимљива слика. На жалост, гране и огранци лозе Е1б1б су код нас прилично слабо истражене. Било би добро када би се на том више порадило, ради бољега познавања наше повѣсти и порѣкла становништва. Койе се не може довољно разумѣти без добра проучавања друге лозе по заступљености у Срба. Зато ни йе потрѢбно да се више људий испита на више ознака, бар 64.

Може ли да се деси, ако се рецимо тестирамо на 12 маркера, а да не добијемо тачну хг?
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« Одговор #26 послато: септембар 17, 2013, 09:09:39 поподне »

Може ли неко да ми објасни, због чега се Е хг сврстава као влашка?
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« Одговор #27 послато: септембар 17, 2013, 09:21:25 поподне »

Може ли да се деси, ако се рецимо тестирамо на 12 маркера, а да не добијемо тачну хг?

Да, са 12 йе врло груба процѣна. Али, ФТДНА обећава да у случайу неясноћа уради СНП испитавање како би се тачно утврдила (груба) хаплоскупина (рецимо И1, Р1а, Р1б, И2а, Е1б1б...).
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Србски пѣсник Лаза Костић: "у млазових прочитам сричући"
"по уздасих тако први' у јунака реч поврви"

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« Одговор #28 послато: септембар 17, 2013, 09:58:26 поподне »

Да, са 12 йе врло груба процѣна. Али, ФТДНА обећава да у случайу неясноћа уради СНП испитавање како би се тачно утврдила (груба) хаплоскупина (рецимо И1, Р1а, Р1б, И2а, Е1б1б...).

На Српском ДНК пројекту има добар део њих који су се тестирали само на 12 маркера. Кадa се тестирамo на 12 маркера коликa je вероватноћа да је хг тачна у процентима? 
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« Одговор #29 послато: септембар 21, 2013, 10:00:11 поподне »

Може ли неко да ми објасни, због чега се Е хг сврстава као влашка?

Ниси знао да су Хитлер и Наполеон били Власи? ))))

То је све условно
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« Одговор #30 послато: септембар 22, 2013, 09:51:46 поподне »

Ниси знао да су Хитлер и Наполеон били Власи? ))))

То је све условно

Нисам. Ево сазнах да је и Алберт Ајнштајн Е хг.
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« Одговор #31 послато: септембар 23, 2013, 09:59:47 пре подне »

Ако се добро сећам, говорили су и за Франческа Петрарку, па и за Леонарда Да Винчија. Велика могућност је да ту припада и Слободан Милошевић.
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« Одговор #32 послато: септембар 29, 2013, 10:54:44 пре подне »

Karta učestanosti E-V13 sa eupedije:
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« Одговор #33 послато: јануар 28, 2014, 10:18:27 поподне »


http://arheologija.ff.uni-lj.si/zaposleni/Budja%20%202011%20FestMinch.pdf

Early Neolithic pots and potters in Western Eurasia

Mihael Budja
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...Recent studies of the Neolithic paternal haplogroups E (M78) and J1 (M267) and J2 (M172) strongly suggest continuous Mesolithic, Neolithic and post-Neolithic gene flows within southeastern Europe and between Europe and the Near East in both directions.

The Neolithic haplogroup E (M78) is represented in Europe by its internal lineages E3b1a and E3b1a2 (E-V13 polymorphism). It constitutes about 85% of the European E-M78 chromosomes, with a clinal pattern of frequency distribution from the southern Balkan Peninsula (19.6%) to west Europe (2.5%). This haplogroup reached the southern Balkans after 17000calBP and its phylogeny reveals signatures of several demographic population expansions within Europe.

Cruciani et al. (2007), Pompei et al. (2008) and King et al. (2008) agree that the earliest expansion was linked to Mesolithic demographic expansion from western Asia into Europe, and that the later series of Neolithic and Bronze Age expansions were restricted regionally within southeastern Europe. Thus the first demographic expansion within Europe, from the Peloponnese to Thessaly and Greek Macedonia, was calculated at 8600 calBP (King et al. 2008, 211).

All of the demographic expansion within the Balkans of the later haplogroups, E3b1a and E3b1a2, post-date the transition to farming in the region. The haplogroup J is subdivided into two major subhaplogroups, J1 (M267) and J2 (M172). The latter was hypothesised as representing an important signature of Neolithic demic diffusion and to have been associated with the appearance of painted pottery and figurines. It became clear recently that it mainly constitutes the signatures of several post Neolithic expansions within Europe and not demic diffusion into Europe. The J2 subclade frequencies in southeastern Europe show two distinct clusters. While the J2a (M410) subclades are frequent in the Peloponnese, Crete and Anatolia, but rare in the Balkans, the J2b (M12) subclades are, conversely, the most frequent in the Balkans and in the Mediterranean (King et al. 2008; Battaglia et al. 2009). The expansion time for the J2b (M12) sub-haplogroup and associated migration from the southern Balkans toward the Carpathian basin is consistent with the Late Neolithic (King et al. 2008, 209). The geographical origin of the J2b subclade remains unknown, although it shows a trend of decreasing frequency from the Balkans (7-9%) to Anatolia (1.7%) (King et al. 2008). Interestingly, in the region where the PPNA-C sites at Çayönü, Göbekli Tepe and Hallan Çemi are located, the 4.7% clade frequency is significantly lower than those in the Balkans. Barać et al. (2003) and Peričić et al. (2005; 2006) recently observed that a lower frequency of sub-haplogroups J2b and E3b1 significantly distinguishes the populations of the western Balkans and the Adriatic (7.9%) from neighbouring populations of the Vardar-Morava river system in the eastern Balkans (21.9%).

This corresponds with the recently identified pre-Neolithic I haplogroup and its subclade I1b* (I2a2–M423 after Underhill et al. 2005) with a frequency distribution that reaches a maximum in the western Balkans, the Adriatic (52%-64%) and the central Balkans (<70%). Haplogroup I is the only haplogroup almost entirely restricted to the European continent. It appeared in Europe, probably before the Last Glacial Maximum, with frequency peaks of reached in two distinct regions - in the Nordic populations of Scandinavia and in the Balkan populations of Southern Europe. Subhaplogroup I1b* expanded from a refuge in southeastern Europe before the Neolithic and a gene flow from the Balkans to Anatolia has also been suggested (Semino et al. 2000; Barać et al. 2003; Rootsi et al. 2004; 2006; Cinnioğlu et al. 2004; Peričić et al. 2005; 2006; Battaglia 2009) (Fig. 3).

Geneticists suggest that the peopling of Europe was a complex process, and that the view of the spread of the Neolithic in Europe as a result of a single, unique and homogeneous process is too simplistic. The paternal heritage of southeastern Europe reveals that the region was both an important source and recipient of continuous gene flow. In addition, the low frequency and variance associated with I (M423) and E (V13) in Anatolia and the Middle East support the European Mesolithic origin of these two clades. The Neolithic and post Neolithic component in the gene pool is most clearly marked by the presence of the J (M241) lineage and its expansion signals associated with Balkan microsatellite variation. Its frequency in south-east European populations ranges from 2% to 20%. The remaining genetic variations are associated with pre-Neolithic hunter-gatherer haplogroups E, I and R.
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